Buakaw Just Lost
Buakaw just lost (clean) for the first time in 5 years to a farang with only 13 previous fights!
Any links and thoughts?
Here 'tis (for those whose Facebook newsfeed hasn't been saturated with crap about Buakaw in the last 12 hours).
I kind of thought Buakaw won rounds 2 & 3 even though he got his face smashed in.
Scoring wise, I don't remember the Russian throwing one effective kick/knee, doing anything in the clinch.
Funny that you can beat one of the best fighters in the world with jab cross and elbow.
Agree with Hobz and couldnīt explain it better myself.
Lots of blood in your face makes you look you suffered too much and were near ko.
I only seen pictures, from pictures he definately came out worse off, even had his eye bandaged up after the fight too, will have to see it when it is up online without getting taken off lol
Buakaw spent too long fighting k1 max rules, I think last time he fought full Thai rules was against Johmod (correct me if I'm wrong , or just being a cunt)? Fighting against K1 fighters, no elbows, limited clinch, predictable straight kyokushin style knees where his punching and kicking is superior means he will win , but he got found out by Yoshihiro Sato's knee and looks like his full rules with elbows is not as sharp as it was?
That guys gameplan was off the charts man, that was tactical, fearless, aggressive and showed no respect to buakaws legacy, went in there fought hard, fought strategic and full off aggression used the southpaw to his full advantage
great game plan, forced buakaw into a boxing match so he couldn't gather points.
I agree with the majority here, the (Russian?) guy landed a lot of elbows, but do they not have to show 'effect' to be big scores (you could argue of course that they did have some effect du to the fight being stopped a couple of times.
But Buakaw was massively outscoring him in my opinion.
Where was this fight held? Surely not in Thailand, on account of the apparent scoring...
Had a similar result in my last fight. Fought on a kickboxing/mma promotion, 3 round Thai fight... 1st round the guy backed me up massively with punches, 2nd and 3rd rounds I clinched him to death, teeped him in the face, and he was turning his back on me numerous times, but he still took a split decision....
I also thought Buakaw outscored him. Especially with knees and mid-kicks. The blood probably influenced the judges.
Good fight though. Big props to the russian who really took it to Buakaw!
Rob Cox, have you seen the fight? What do you think about the outcome?
just watched it. what we gotta remember I Buakaw has been fighting at the top for about 10 years now. He probaby peaked in 07 or 08. russian blokedidnt seem to suffer from any of the kicks or anything.
Oh yeah, he's for sure past his prime. Looks much slower these days.
@Hawkman... and this is where the 'thai' style of scoring causes so much confusion... any solid landed kicks or knees are 'assumed' to have effect, even if they don't off-balance the opponent, therefore scoring higher... whereas punches and elbows have to visibly show effect to score
even in the UK, probably regarded as having the best judging outside of Thailand, I see shows where the scoring appears to be all over the place...
Buakaw got sliced up. He is too comfortable with his hands flinging. And leaving a opening for elbows. That's why Yod vs buakaw under full MT will never happen. It will be too one sided. That guy was catching buakaw with the left cross and elbow all day
Buakaw won imo. I agree with what Hobz said. The other guy couldn't fight the final due to being fucked from knees to the body. Great fight by him aswell though. Buakaw was like a deer in headlights in the first, when he got cut and they both stopped. It was like a " this isn't suppossed to happen" moment.
I only watched the first two rounds as was at Lumpini and had to go between the stadium inside and the top king shop where they had it on t.v. He lost first round won second. As for elbows having to visibly show effect, well don't the gashes all over his head show effect? Three big cuts, blood everywhere. I was at Ratchadamnern last night and was chatting with one of the judges there and asked if he though Buakao lost and he said yes, as did a few other Thais that have a lot of knowledge when it comes to judging, he said at his level getting caught like that with so many elbows not good and they clearly did show effect as he was cut up pretty good.
Rob if you watch the 3rd round it was much like the second, maybe a little more in favor of buakaw. Agree with the effect of the striking however think most of the damage was done in the first round, not sure if that should be carried into the later rounds even tho he was still obviously covered in blood at the final bell.
not sure but think he picked up at least one if not two of the cuts in last
Buakaw lost this one No doubt. Like hawkman said to far into faggot k1 style
Plus he chose to walk the opponent down which he could't
Very intense ugly fight.
Did anyone fail to mention, buakaw was rag dolled a few times to the ground. Normally it's buakaw doing the tossing. This Russian guy went in there and showed poise and ring control's first 2 rounds with ring control. Last round buakaw was coming back but too late. They need to rematch with full 5 rounds MT rules. Bua lost this one for sure.
never fails to surprise me how bad elbows can wound. an obscene weapon
I don't think Buakaw lost. Problem is how do you judge these 3 round fights that are supposedly FTR but only 3 rounds and break the clinch after 2 seconds.
K1 & Glory have a clear cut scoring system, as does Muay Thai. These sort of promotions though fall somewhere inbetween so will always be subject to interpretation.
Based on a 10 point must system though Buakaw clearly won (9-10, 10-9, 10-9).
youre right Tom. I think the clinch being removed is to make it more palatable , as the general public do not understand the skill of the clinch and gives the impression that it is a period of inactivity.
shortening to 3 rounds, well traditional FTR is a victim of itself in that you can go to a stadium in Thai land and the final round can be zero activity and often they will ring the bell before completion of 3 mins.
But I still go with a Buakaw loss or at best a draw
well all the main stadiums, Lumpini, Ratchadamnern, Omnoi, CH7 the fights go the full 3 minutes every round, there are scoreboards there with countdown timers, no way they could get away with stopping before the 3 minutes are up.
As for scoring 3 rounds compared to 5 well you could argue that most fights nowadays in the stadiums tend to only really have the last 3 rounds seen as important, most scores are 49-48 for a close fight, which works out at 2 rounds even and 2 rounds to one for the winner, even in very one sided fights unless there is knockdowns the score will generally be 50-47 which is 2 rounds even and 3 rounds to the winner
fairly certain the brain pouring out of his head means boo a cow lost
maybe he was low in ELECTROLYTES !
Or maybe he used the ones in 7/11 instead of the pharmacy powder ones.
maybe he had an issue with his gut bacteria
Not enough spirulina shakes.
yes the shorting of the rounds I was referring to the non main stadiums, but I have definitely seen coasting in the final round, walking round with arms raised before the round is even half over, even on some of the main stadium fights .
Is 3 x 3 better/ more likely to guarantee. ferocious work rate? Surely Buakaw is more used to that anyway?
"Is 3 x 3 better/ more likely to guarantee. ferocious work rate?"
I believe so, more anaerobic, move need for agression to win..
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