Going Up A Weight Category


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Blake
Since I'm getting older and finding it harder to cut weight, as well as not being a fan of long slow distance runs, I'm thinking I should go up a weight category. I used to cut from around 77-78 down to 68-70kg. now I'm walking 80-82 and thinking of cutting to 72-75kg

this post is multiple questions

1) being a heavier guy (and quite probably shorter now / no reach advantage) tactically what things would people do fighting a taller opponent?? - I'm thinking more body shot punches, power low kicks, having to walk forward more, waist locks in the clinch, and the teep would probably have to be an extended sliding one. any other ideas? I don't want to change my style completely, but just modify it if I'm shorter.

2) training wise, I'm planning to tank up my legs a bit for delivering thunderous low kicks, as well as my arms and shoulders for punching and taking punishment. I have a fair idea of how I will do this but I want to ask it anyway and also what other things would people recommend.

I really don't want to fight heavier as ive got a beating before being the shorter guy. but I think I don't have a choice other than cut 12-15kg which I'm not prepared to do.

and finally 3) who would people consider the best low kickers in Muay Thai with this shorter go forward style??


Rambutan
Cutting almost 10kg is crazy, how did you that?

in 1), do you mean shorter then the guys at a heavier weight class?

Zambidi was a shorter k1 fighter and Tyson was short for his weight class, they both did very well and had a style adapted to their height.
Dieselnoi being very tall also had a style adapted to his height..
maybe you just have to change fighting style?

Blake
I mean if I'm cutting to say 75kg but I get some other taller younger guy cutting to 75 chances are hes taller than me. I'm short by comparison for a 75kg fighter, but tall for 68-70. hence I can no longer rely on the tactics of a tall man.

I think jacking legs are going to become a stable of what I do.

the 8 or 9kg cuts are a bit of a mission man. reduced calorie intake, boring as salads, and a fair bit of sauna work prior to weigh in.

Rambutan
respect for the 8-9 kg cuts, I would never be able to do it....

johnny
first of all. from the pics you posted recently - it seems to me that you gained way more than 5 kg since I saw you in CM.
id bet you gained 12-15 kg or more you fat cunt ;-)

coming to you questions. forward is good, but little side steps and changing angles is even better, when the taller guys comes forward. and yea, lots of HHOOKKSS and uppercuts to the laever, apart from strong lowkicks are good weapons for little fighters.

over the years I witnessed only 3 ko by low kick in the land of smiles. but shure they work better with farang opponents.

Blake
when did you last see me in chiang mai? I haven't lived in chiang mai since 2008. I was around 72kg walking then. skip forward7 years and I'm 80kg. a mix of reasons but primarily from being over 30 now. that and a western diet

muaythaifocus
In other words your a fat cunt! :P

Rambutan
let him alone, he's just getting old :-p

how tall are you Blake

TomS
There's no reason you can't out kick Westerners, especially since they're punch monkeys.

So long as you're faster and adjust your range you can still out score with body kicks. I've sparred plenty of Thais that are 5 foot to my 6 foot 3 and I struggle to out point them in kick off battles.

Body shots are good and definitely should be incorporated a lot more along with overhands and long lead hooks to the head. Mix them up with leg kicks is a good base, and just make sure you keep pressuring them once they do start to lean back or go backwards and try and evade your punches.

Blake
I dont know how to post pics here to show in not a fat cunt.

Yeah, been trying the pressure thing more.

S
Uppercuts, thigh mutilating kicks, feints to get you in punching distance, improved guard/evasiveness
Oly lifts
Pornsenae

S
Spar heavies, by your logic they'll be taller than you

funnyman
muaythaianalyst.com/2014/12/re... ...ck-counter-striking/

have a read through this got good gifs aswell to explain his point.

Wanchalong (วันฉลอง) and Chaisiriís (ชัยศิริ) fight on Sept 5, 2014 was recently awarded Lumpiniís fight of the year for 2014. While this is not the most technical fight of the year, the fighters showed remarkable heart and skill, both bouncing back from early knockdowns. It is also a good demonstration of contrasting fighting styles (pressure vs counter striking) and the relative advantages and disadvantages of each approach.

funnyman
muaythaianalyst.com/2014/12/re... ...ck-counter-striking/

have a read through this got good gifs aswell to explain his point.

Wanchalong (วันฉลอง) and Chaisiriís (ชัยศิริ) fight on Sept 5, 2014 was recently awarded Lumpiniís fight of the year for 2014. While this is not the most technical fight of the year, the fighters showed remarkable heart and skill, both bouncing back from early knockdowns. It is also a good demonstration of contrasting fighting styles (pressure vs counter striking) and the relative advantages and disadvantages of each approach.

S
Ye, you might want to be more femur than Rambo
Fuck taking a lot of jabs when moving forward, especially when you're over 30

muaythaifocus
I've seen the pics Blake was trying to put up, he's holding his breath in them the fat cunt

damien026

Rambutan
he's not fat he's just a little chubby

Blake
Lol
Cunts.
Get a haircut you hippy.

Actually damon makes sense. Just my gym doesnt have too many big units.

johnny
hey Blake, I dont remember exactly. havent lived in CM since 2007. must have been sometimes between 2000 - 2006 and
you looked like you was in my weight (65 kg) at that time. I'm getting older too, over 40 now and I walk arround at 70 kg nowadays. (and I had an accident last year that left my on a wheely for 3 months - that and my mediteranian/thai diet ;-) )
no worries, my fat friend

Blake
I was about 70 then. and about 80kg now.

Rambutan
how tall are you both for that weight?
i am at 72kg now for 1m72

Blake
180cm

johnny
179cm
:-)

Blake looked shorter btw

Vlad
Blake are you on american Food diet ?
I am 180 and about 90 kilo, have already fought guys around 105 kilo
Being the smaller guy means you'll need to get the feeling for the right range
also the ability to corner your opponent is Importanz and dont try to take the bigger guys head off to often / from the beginning
Superior Speed and Reflexes is desirable

Vlad
Dodging instead of blocking strikes is beneficial as well

Blake
nice. yeah similar thoughts to that.

keep em coming

S
Work western boxing/ slipping, feinting
Lead with power shots using footwork, here's an article and a vid of my all time fave:
www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/2/11/... ...kers-of-roy-jones-jr

Rambutan
I love watching videos of Roy Jones Jr, way more entertaining to watch then a MT fight

TomS
If someone knows how to body kick then slipping and feinting gonna be ouchies. You have to take check the kick and counter back when that range is closed or matrix evade like Lertsila and counter.

Vlad
I agree TomS
You can do a lot of that in MT

Blake
yeah fuck all slipping or they will make me eat a kick

S
Nothing wrong with slipping at the right range, fuckin dumb cunt faggots

TomS
To me slipping is sliding your body left or right. I think it's generally ill-advised in Muay Thai or a minor evasion technique at best, but there is a lot more room for including it in kickboxing and it's absolutely essential in boxing.

Just to clarify, the lean back is not a slip it's a lean back, and in Muay Thai it's the far more useful evasion technique to utilise and master.

This is assuming a Muay Thai contest though where kicks and clinch are the opponents strength. In Western "moo tie" where it's pretty much boxing with leg kicks then the slip would be increasingly useful. The caution is that you could ingrain bad habits that would be unforgiving to you once you encounter a Thai stylist.

S
kay then...that's what I meant.....just didnt have time to say

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